CV16 Caravelle - KS8 - more pictures added

[ks8]

The *work* and painting trailer. This front piece was slapped with some left over S3 General Purpose Epoxy -- no UV protection. It has been in the weather for four (4) years. It hasn't yet *chalked* blatantly to the eye, but it is beginning to crack and wear away. Still, held up well for four years with no protection!

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The thin strip is unsealed mahogany after four years, with the expected silvery appearance, but no rot. The epoxy sealed mahogany is still bright as ever, also without UV protection - but the boat is garaged when not *in her element*. The plywood laminate is the end of my skeg that I trimmed off when finishing the boat. I did not seal the exposed edges that resulted from trimming it off the rest of the skeg. The exterior grade hasn't yet delaminated or completely fallen apart, even though it is certainly *weathered* -- but the biax that was on the larger flat surfaces delaminated after the first year in the weather. This doesn't live in the water, but has been out in the weather, rain, summer sun and heat, dew, winter cold and freezing temps and snow, etc. for all this time.

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Epoxy is amazing....

[cape man]

So are you really moving to Florida?

[Cracker Larry]

I think he's done moved, he's just a quiet sort

[ks8]

... in the process... back and forth... kayak and CV16 mast travels south next trip, in maybe a week. As much as I'd like to start visiting, got to get this move done with ... but it sure do look like lots of good folk are just a short run down the road soon...

Not much time for internet lately.

2001 Caravan could use some fresh feet, and new plugs and wires here at 204,000 + ...

Time to grease the trailer(s) wheel bearings too.

Light at the end of the tunnel... by election day? But I might linger in NC for that just to be able to vote. Way too important to miss that this year. Fresh hope for each morning, every morning...

Thanks for checking up on me.

[ks8]

Capeman - soon (a few weeks) to be about a three minute bicycle ride to De Soto National Memorial, Florida.

[ks8]

Someone elsewhere asked about bow cleats, so I figured I'd add this to my thread here. As to how many -- I like two right next to one another, but with room to work with each. The idea is that when the anchor is secured, the wind might kick up or some other need where you wish you had an extra cleat right there. It happens to me often (?!), so I have two on the bow of my CV16. My backing plates average about 5/16 of an inch thick, but some are doubled, some are glassed over. I could probably airlift my boat by helicopter from the cleats and ubolts, fully loaded. Use as large a fender washer as will fit, in addition to the backing plates. I use these bow cleats ...

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Mounted like this:

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To the question elsewhere: The bow of the GV is different than my foredeck, but this picture gives you an idea of how far apart (or close) mine are.

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If you mount yours (GV) right on the bow transom like some do, without a deck, with some thought, horizontal is safer than vertical. You can see what I mean on Cracker Larry's GF16:



You could put two there, side by side, on the GV bow transom (if there's room) to keep your bow seat clear of stuff and permanent clutter, but if two are used, make sure there is *working room* between them.

[mango2]

ks8...thank you for sharing your insights and pics....much appreciated....the cleats pictured are secured by bolts and nuts? ...4 of them?
The pic of your bow seat finish astounds me...how did you achieve such a "surfboard" patina?....would you describe from plywood to end product...thanks again!

[ks8]

On the CV16 pictures, yes, each cleat is secured with four bolts and nuts, and if I recall, a one inch or 3/4 inch fender washer on each (I used the largest size that allowed them to not overlap). I doubled the thickness of the entire foredeck because either myself of someone else is up there stomping around, casting or spotting, often, when fishing. So I do not have backing plates under there... but only those fender washers. However, those cleats are not yet installed *sealed* with a bedding compound. When I do that, I will install 1/4 or 5/16 inch backing plate for each cleat. When the boat was upside down and I was finishing up the underside of that deck in the cuddy, this is what it looked like (ignore the red arrow):

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You can see two of the bolts, washers, nuts, currently holding one of the cleats in place for this picture. Note that I used nylon insert locking nuts. Again, at the final install and bedding (one day soon!), there will be some backing plates in there also, with a glass laminate on the *washer* side.

Now, on a GV, if you mount a cleat on the bow seat, you could do the same sort of thing, but if you mount on the bow transom, like Cracker Larry did on his, it would be best to ask him, over on his thread, whether he through bolted the one in the picture, or used screws with globs of 5200 or epoxy. He does things with good thoughtful reason, so now matter how he mounted his bow cleat, he will be able to explain why he did it that way.

Regarding the patina, if you mean the bow seat on the GF16 in the river, that is (was?) Cracker Larry's boat. He would be the one to ask on that. He is a regular poster here on many threads, and is currently documenting a build of an fs18. This link is his latest on that thread.

If you mean the white foredeck on my CV16, let me know and I'll briefly summarize that finish.

When your GV is launched, post us a picture or two of it in Hawaii waters.

[ks8]

Forgot about this better picture of my longboard...

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[Cracker Larry]

but if you mount on the bow transom, like Cracker Larry did on his, it would be best to ask him, over on his thread, whether he through bolted the one in the picture, or used screws with globs of 5200 or epoxy. He does things with good thoughtful reason, so now matter how he mounted his bow cleat, he will be able to explain why he did it that way.

It is through bolted. Always install cleats with backing plates, bolts, washers, fender washers and lock nuts. One never knows what the future will bring. You may plan only on light anchoring, and then find yourself being towed at 30 kts. by the bow cleat. If a cleat pulls out under load it could kill someone. Never just screw in a cleat.

On the GF16 in the picture above, the bow transom is 1 1/8" thick so it doesn't really need a backing plate, but I made one anyway. I countersunk the holes on the outside for T-nuts, fender washers and nylock nuts, then filled over the outside of them with wood flour and epoxy and faired them flush to the hull. They aren't coming out. The bow transom would pull out before the cleat does.