FS 17 - Raised Sheer

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by joe2700 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:56 pm

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Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:01 pm
Very nice work! Where do you find that roller looking tool you used on the wide fabric (black handle- looks like a screen printing roller) ? I'll be glassing out the inside of my AD16 pretty soon and have begun considering what to use besides a chip brush.

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That's a fiberglass laminating roller with grooves. Like this one: https://boatbuildercentral.com/proddeta ... _1%2F2_3in

I only use the chip brush for adding a tiny bit of epoxy to dry spots, popping bubbles, and pushing the cloth into corners. It's works much better at these things if you make it stiffer by cutting off about half the length of the fibers with scissors.

We found it easiest to do the vertical surfaces by taping the cloth on. Then a few feet at a time we lifted it up to prewet underneath with epoxy, and rolled epoxy on the top, both with a solvent safe 3/8 nap cigar roller. Foam rollers absorb too much epoxy and kick quickly. We then squeegeed out the excess.

For the horizontal surfaces we just pour a ton of epoxy on and spread it with a squeegee. Spread it too heavy at first, let it soak for a minute, then pull the extra away and work any dry spots.

That's all for the 12oz biaxial, for normal cloth its much easier.



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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by Fuzz » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:07 pm

Great update. Your glass work looks very good. Being able to do that much all at one time is a huge time saver.

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by Bogieman » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:39 pm

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That's a fiberglass laminating roller with grooves. Like this one: https://boatbuildercentral.com/proddeta ... _1%2F2_3in

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Ok, thank you.

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by joe2700 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:55 am

Put in an order for more epoxy and supplies, put the wrong shipping address so you guys have an email from me about 30 seconds after the order :roll:

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by Jeff » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:39 am

Joe2700, Received your order and the email correcting the shipping address!! Thank you for both!! Your order will ship later today, Friday, April 20!! (I also sent you a response email) Thank you for your business and I hope it gets warmer for you guys up there!! Tough winter!! Jeff

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by OrangeQuest » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:13 am

Jeff wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:39 am
Joe2700, Received your order and the email correcting the shipping address!! Thank you for both!! Your order will ship later today, Friday, April 20!! (I also sent you a response email) Thank you for your business and I hope it gets warmer for you guys up there!! Tough winter!! Jeff
When I seen Joe2700's post of sending you guys the wrong address and then sending an email with correct address I pictured a PIXAR animation of you opening the email and have a big red button by your monitor that you rush to push. It sounds an alarm in the shipping dept and little animated elves start scrambling to stop the packaging of Joe2700 order and they all start double checking it to make sure everything is correct. They report to the shipping manager that the correct address is on the package, which by this time you are in the shipping dept to make sure it is correct and both you and the shipping manager confirm it has the correct address. You then go back to your monitor and send the email confirming that Joe2700 will be getting his shipment to the corrected address and all the elves sign of relief as they go back to being busy and singing happy worker songs.

I'm pretty sure that is how it works, never a doubt!

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by joe2700 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:19 am

I'm sure that's just about right OC, the only advantage I had was ordering in the middle of the night, gives you a bit of time to realize you were an idiot before your package is already packed up!

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by joe2700 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:56 pm

For the last 6 weeks it's been full on sailing season. Had this past weekend off but it was also the last weekend I have access to the boat until September.

My main priority was getting the last layer of inside hull glass down.
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Did that and it went pretty smoothly. The temps were much higher than last time I was glassing, and I was using the same batch size, so I did have one patch about 2 square feet start to go off on me. There are some moderate dry spots in that section, but since it's an extra layer over a well adhered layer of glass I'm not worried about it.

I then put the stringers and frames in for a quick look.
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You can see the dry spots I mentioned on the starboard side right under frame D. I'll be planning all my chase tube routing over the summer so I can get right to really fitting the stringers and frames in September. Having the mental and digital images will help.

Next I put the sole down.
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It confirmed what I had realized a few months ago, that cutting my sole to the plans when I raising it was a mistake, it's too small to use. I'll cut my console panels from the sole pieces and cut a new sole to measurements I take from the boat.

Then I cut some scrap into the rough outer dimensions of the biggest console I'm considering, and walked around the boat to make sure it was comfortable to get around it. Found I had plenty of room. The real console will be shaped so it will take up less space, and I'll build a full cardboard mockup over the summer to try in the fall. I also placed the stool at the seat height I planned, and found I need to lower my console a bit from what I had planned.

Walking around the boat raised 2 questions for me.

- At the front it felt like a big stretch over frame A to the bow. I think that will be a pain for handling anchors/lines, so I think I'll move frame A 4"-6" forward and gain a little more open space in the process. That will bring the distance from A to the bow back in line with what it would have been if I didn't raise the sheer.

-The sole felt very flimsy. Obviously it will be far more secure when on cleats around the outside and fully glassed down, but I'm still worried it will flex between the frames. Can anyone with a 3/8" sole who didn't foam under it weigh in on how much it flexes? Bonus points if it's okume. I'm considering 1/2" instead but I do imagine thats a big weight penalty. I'll have to figure out how much a difference it would make, and how much of a problem the flexing might be on the 3/8" if I add a layer of glass on both sides. I'd love input on this point if anyone has some.

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by BarraMan » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:18 pm

The sole felt very flimsy. Obviously it will be far more secure when on cleats around the outside and fully glassed down, but I'm still worried it will flex between the frames. Can anyone with a 3/8" sole who didn't foam under it weigh in on how much it flexes? Bonus points if it's okume. I'm considering 1/2" instead but I do imagine thats a big weight penalty. I'll have to figure out how much a difference it would make, and how much of a problem the flexing might be on the 3/8" if I add a layer of glass on both sides. I'd love input on this point if anyone has some.
I pondered the same question!
My decks are 3/8" okune, covered with 12oz biax glass cloth on the top side only - epoxied only on the bottom side. They don't flex!

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I think there would be less of a weight penalty in putting some extra support under the deck, if needed rather than going to 1/2" ply.

Put the cleats on, put a piece of 3/8" ply glassed on one side down where its well supported and walk around on it to see how it goes.

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Re: FS 17 - Raised Sheer

Post by jacquesmm » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:12 am

Everything will feel flimsy until finished, glued down on cleats and tape all around.
The hull panels are flimsy too but once assembled, they are solid.
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