The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by silentneko » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:06 pm

They say desperation is the mother of invention. Well I had to grind out the ridge left over from welding the sleeve I bought. But how do you grind something in a tube 2" wide and reach 10+" into it. Well this was my solution. I put a dremel on a stick.

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It worked good enough.

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On to the next issue. The folding tongue section was only 23" long. I could make it work, but it would not be adjustable. Also while it would tow ok, it would be so close I couldn't open my tailgate. Which we use a lot. This pic is before I cut back the longer section.

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So I decided to do it right, and replace the whole front part of the tongue. I looked around for a short piece of 3x2x 1/8", but no place would sell it. I ended up buying a whole 24ft section, but it was actually cheaper then buying a smaller one and having it shipped. With being cut to 8ft sections cost me $87. I'll have a few projects coming up to use it on, plus use part for more welding practice.

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Sawzall made quick work of the tongue. I shortened it by 8" on the boat side.

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Here is how it will sit. It's hard to tell, but the bow actually sticks out past the sleeve on the tongue by 1.5+ inches.

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The old tongue was 23" the new one has been extended to 32". This gives me a few inches for fine adjustment of the winch stand and enough to clear my tailgate on my truck.

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I'll button it up in the next few days. Still trying to decide on how I'll run the wiring harness. I have the connectors, but I'm deciding if I want to go on the interior or exterior, or a mix.

Once I finish and make sure it works well I'll do a "how-to" post.


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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by silentneko » Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:02 pm

I'm just about done now with the removable tongue. After fighting it, and learning how to stick weld again, I think it came out pretty good. It's not super pretty, but it works good, and is super solid.

I welded on the 16ga spacer plates. This will get ground down and fitted so the tongue slides into the sleeve.

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I ground the plates down a little at a time with a flap wheel until it slid into the sleeve, but not so much that there was a lot of play.

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With it in the sleeve I began drilling the holes to match.

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I repeated the process on the boat side of the tongue that will be bolted on. I just welded 2 sides since it won't ever be removed. After that I cut off and rewelded the safety loop from my old tongue. This is a pretty important safety feature I feel.

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I used some cold galvanizing compound on the bare steel parts.

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I decided to add a plug so I could disconnect the tongue section. In hindsight it might have been easier to just run it along the outside and just use a velcro strap or something. I can redo it later if I decide to change, it's just wiring.

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I decided I wasn't thrilled with how the CGC looked, so I used some hammer coat to make it look better.

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Here it is. I need to tighten some things up, but I think it came out pretty good, and is super functional.

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With the tongue removed. The pic is deceiving, but the bow sticks out past the end of the sleeve by an inch or 2.

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Here is the front of the wiring harness. It makes no sense to run it inside the tongue as it would need to come back out a ft later. So I think I'll just zip tie it on the outside. Not the best looking option, but I'm a function over form kinda guy. I added a few new grounding points, both here and on the other side of the sleeve, just in case.

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I'll have to remeasure it, but the tongue is 32" and is 10" inside the sleeve. Add in the coupler and I think this modification knocks about 27" off the front of the trailer. Like I said I'm going to do a separate how-to in a bit.
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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by silentneko » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:25 pm

Now that the trailer is all buttoned up I’m trying to get moving on fairing.

The rub rail needed some filling, especially there it joined at the bow.

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I shaped it flat-ish.

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I made a little sanding jig from a block of wood that I wrapped with 120 grit to round off the lower edge.

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Then I started to slather on fairing compound. I’m not going for perfection here, just make it look better then raw glass.

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Gotta just finish it up so I can get on the water.
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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by OrangeQuest » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:22 am

Looking pretty good!
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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by silentneko » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:27 pm

I got some goodies in the mail from Gemlux.

First is a ball valve to adjust the intake volume from the livewell pump. The smallest you can find these days is a 500gph, which is way overkill for a 10 gallon tank. Really a 150gph would be plenty to turnover the tank. So I got one of their nice nylon valves with a 90 degree adapter.

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I also decided on my cleats and rod holders. The new cutting edge design they have only drops 2.5" below the surface, so they should work out just fine. Also theses to not need drains. The rod holders are just your normal SS fair. I didn't realize you can't remove the caps, so I might just cut them off as I don't need them.

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So when I said I only did some minor fairing, I really meant it. A lot of it is pretty wavy and rough still, but I'm moving on. Not being on the water is bothering me way more then a little wave in the paint ever will.

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First coat of primer. This is the Totalprotect epoxy primer. It is a barrier coat and high build. I dig it, but didn't realize how many nooks and crannies my interior had.

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Second coat on. The floor and decks will be covered with ground pumice so they don't need to be smooth. The rest I will get as close as I can without continued fairing and live with it.

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So the reason I primed is not really cause it's ready for paint, but so I could see what I really had. I will now do all the rest of the holes I need (livewell pump, bilge discharge, nav lights, hinges....) before any final priming and painting. It's nice to see it all one color.
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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by OrangeQuest » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:45 pm

silentneko wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:27 pm
It's nice to see it all one color.
Yes it is! SWEET!!
Look even better with the bling!
What do you mean the cleats don't need drains? Where does water go that get in the holes they drop down into? And do the rod tubes have drains in them? Why would you cut the covers off? You don't like covers?
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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by silentneko » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:51 pm

The cleats have seals so the water doesn't go down the tubes like other companies models. I think it's a gemlux exclusive and there stuff is top rated. The rod holders are just open on the bottom. They will be installed on the gunnels and drain to the floor so I have no need for the covers, and can imagine them getting in the way.
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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by Aripeka Angler » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:33 pm

That’s the finest hatch drain engineering that I’ve ever seen on this forum.
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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by silentneko » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:31 pm

Thank you AA, That's very kind, but I'm not sure if it will work any better then the other great hatch gutters we have seen here. I tried to post this the other day, but the forum was down:

Working on a lot of the small stuff until it is ready for paint.

Making backing plates to be bonded in under the cleats, rod holders, and nav light.

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The cleats came with a handy installation diagram.

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I am installing 4 cleats. 2 upfront a few feet back from the bow, and 2 in the rear.

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Rod holders did not come with any installation instructions, and since I was installing on an odd angle they took some work with a dremel to get right.

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And I did cut the caps off of them, they were just annoying and provided no benefit.

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I also cut out the steering hole.

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I have a lid cut out for each hatch, I need to work the shape a bit, and figure out how I want to glass them so they match the gutters and supports. The horizontal hatches won't be an issue, but the console hatch will need some extra attention.

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Re: The Plytanic 2.0 - FS17 Build

Post by silentneko » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:11 pm

Working more on the hatch lids. I have them all rough cut out. After the glass is on I'll trim them down more for final fitting.

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Here is where many guys, including me, go wrong with hatches. The lids must match the gutters/lips, not be made flat. If you glass them on a flat surface and the lip or gutter is even 1/32" off then it will never close quite right. I'm trying to avoid this by shaping the lids to the lips.
I glassed the bottoms of the lids, then let them set up for over an hour. They were tacky and soft still. I then weighed them down on the lips of the hatch so they will cure and hold the shape well.

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Weights work find for horizontal lids, but for vertical ones you need to get creative. I used a ratched strap and 2 cam lock straps to apply pressure to some wood chunks. I think it will work out well.

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