AD 14 KIELGE

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by das boot » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:47 pm

I used the motor for part of it there was a good wind blowing up the lake and part way back to the dock the waves came up so i was fighting 2 to 3 foot waves this boat handles those waves well you get some spray from it but it is fun. This is the first time out in 2 years last year I did not get it out at all. This year I am going out at least once a week. The lake I was on is tidel so when the tide is coming in and the wind is blowing it can get quite rough. You can see the large power boats getting pounded big time and I just putt along . I will look into that mast idea you have. My father in law built a 27 foot sail boat and he had a somilar idea to yours for rasing the mast. But where you are using poles he had to cables actuley the side stays and he would hook them to the sides of the boat and he would use his for stay and a come along to pull it vertical the side stays stopped to from falling off to the sides he also had a rear stay that would stop it going to far forward it worked quite well he sailed that boat for over 20 years and never had any problems with that system



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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Bogieman » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:11 am

das boot wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:47 pm
I used the motor for part of it there was a good wind blowing up the lake and part way back to the dock the waves came up so i was fighting 2 to 3 foot waves this boat handles those waves well you get some spray from it but it is fun. This is the first time out in 2 years last year I did not get it out at all. This year I am going out at least once a week. The lake I was on is tidel so when the tide is coming in and the wind is blowing it can get quite rough. You can see the large power boats getting pounded big time and I just putt along . I will look into that mast idea you have. My father in law built a 27 foot sail boat and he had a somilar idea to yours for rasing the mast. But where you are using poles he had to cables actuley the side stays and he would hook them to the sides of the boat and he would use his for stay and a come along to pull it vertical the side stays stopped to from falling off to the sides he also had a rear stay that would stop it going to far forward it worked quite well he sailed that boat for over 20 years and never had any problems with that system
Good to hear that you're still enjoying your Adelie after all these years. It's also good to hear the reports on how she sails.

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by gonandkarl » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:30 am

Hi,
Thanks George and Bogie for the information. As there is nothing as boring as a finished boat I am busy to get my new 3,5 KG Carbon mast together.
It cost quite a bit but I will be able to raise it by myself with this small weight.

Here the first picture of it where I put the 4 pieces together for a test:

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I have sanded the inside of the masts and the connection pieces slightly with 120 grid paper and now they are ready to be glued into the mast.

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Unfortunately I have to wait for the ordered epoxy to do the gluing until August 10th because my supplier is on holiday till then.

Greetings from Karl
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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Bogieman » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:20 am

That's great Karl!

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Jeff » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:30 am

Nice Karl!! Really good to hear from you!! Jeff

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by glossieblack » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:30 pm

Hi Karl, I'm really interested in your carbon fibre mast build. :D I'm wondering how you decided what size carbon fibre tube to use ?
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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by gonandkarl » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:16 am

Hi,
The size of the carbon tube was determined by my aluminium mast which is a standard mast of 55 by 60 mm. I wanted something as strong as that and I did not want to have a bigger hole at the mast partner and foot and then there was the consideration to have a mast like the windsurfers who have a maximum length mast of 4,70 meters and can stick 2 halves of it together which appealed to me as well. Windsurfers masts bend quite a bit like pole vaulters in athletics and therefore I looked for stiff carbon pipes which I found in France at www.carbonrohr.net and only 4 mm in diameter wider than what I really wanted. That is how I came to 55 ( outside diameter ) x 51 ( inside diameter ) x 3000 mm pipes. For the first sail I will try not to glue the top half of the mast just to stick it onto the 30 cm insert. My friends at the JRA ( Junk Rig Association ) advised me to try it and if I am not happy with the take apart mast I can always glue it together and strengthen it with some left over carbon sleeves from my boom and yard build. One chap also gave me a formula with which I can calculate the breaking point of the mast with parameters like sail area, 15 knot wind speed, sail centre and bending strength of my poles. What he does not know is that no Austrian lake will see me sailing in 15 knot winds. But it is good to know where my mast will break. I will strengthen the mast with carbon sleeves at the partner and at the mast foot right from the start and I will also use it at the top of the mast where the inserted piece of 50 mm diameter sticks out 20 cm to give me the correct length.

Here is a picture of my dry run of the sleeve around the pole.

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It looks here as if it is too wide but when one pulls the sleeve it becomes narrower and wetted out with epoxy it is less than a mm thick.

Greetings from Karl
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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by glossieblack » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:02 am

Thanks for the explanation Karl. Are you going to make the boom and/or yard out of carbon fibre and glass fibre sleeves as per the bateau 3 part tutorial?
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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by gonandkarl » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:32 am

Hallo Michael,
Yes the boom and yard I already made a long time ago and they turned out perfect. In hindsight I could have made them with a smaller than 50 mm diameter but they work fine and weigh only around 900 gram each. On one I used peel ply and it weighs a bit less than the other.

Here a picture of boom and yard before fairing and painting :

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and here are 2 pictures of them at my first sail :

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I did not dare to make the mast myself because of the length and getting it straight.

Greetings from Karl
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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Bogieman » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:55 pm

Your rig looks great, Karl. I’m still trying to locate a yard and boom but haven’t had much luck

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