AD 14 KIELGE

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Bogieman » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:04 am

HI Karl,

Sounds like everything was very well thought out.



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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Bogieman » Wed May 02, 2018 1:28 pm

Hi Karl, (and George too)

I'm ready to put my CB case together and install the pivot assembly (threaded bolt & sleeve), but I have a question about something that's a little confusing in the plans. The plans say the length of the sleeve has to be equal to the size of the case, including the width added by the backing plates on each side of the case... I'm OK with that part, but then it says the sleeve has to be inserted from inside the case. I don't see how that's even possible! It seems to me the only way the sleeve could be inserted from inside is if the sleeve is the same diameter as the inside of the case. If the length of the sleeve is to be flush with the outside face of the backing plates then both the sleeve and bolt could be inserted from the outside with not trouble then when the washers and nuts are added the nuts could be tightened down until they meet the end of the sleeve. Am In missing something here?

Thanks for your help

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by gonandkarl » Wed May 02, 2018 5:01 pm

Hi Bogieman,
Yes you understood it completely correct. The sleeve you can only put through the pivot holes of the trunk ( there are 2 one in each trunk wall ) from one of the sides. I think the most important thing is that the length of it is from the left backing plate to the right one if you glued some onto the case. I put just today the silicone onto it and then the big washers over the threaded stainless steel rod and then I hand tightened the nuts and 2 hours later with 2 no 19 spanners until I could not turn them any more because the washers were pressing onto the sleeve each side and that is hopefully watertight.
This talk of inside means you have to align the centreboard inside the case with its hole exactly with the 2 holes of the centreboard case and then you can push the sleeve through and the threaded rod inside the sleeve. I have the rod sticking out on both sides about 1 1/2 inches. I would advise you, before you close the case test lie the board into it lay and clamp the side onto it which you will later glue and push also the sleeve through it . If you battle to push it through, the holes are maybe a tiny bit too tight. Now you can correct that easily when the centreboard trunk is installed and the sole of the boat is also in there all you can do then is push the sleeve through going in there over the inspection holes of the sole. No more place to drill the holes any wider. George had a good idea to get the centreboard into place with a very thin steel wire and a handle on each side pulling it up from inside the cabin. I just pushed a medium long screwdriver from the left side into the hole while my son was pushing the centreboard by hand up from under the boat. Once I had the screwdriver completely through the case and board I pushed the sleeve over it from the right side and let it follow through the holes while pulling the screwdriver slowly out again at the left side. Tomorrow I will post a few pictures and they may be clearer than my description.
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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Bogieman » Wed May 02, 2018 7:06 pm

Hi Karl.

Thank you very much! It is as I thought. The plans make it a little confusing, but I'm willing to accept that it's maybe just me. Your detailed explanation helps me a lot.

I have one more question: Can you tell me where to find the measurement or explanation of how to cut / sand the angle at the top end of the centerboard pivot end? It's the angled flat spot that appears to act as a stop or catch on the pivot end. Right now mine is still rounded.



Can't wait to see your latest pics.

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by gonandkarl » Thu May 03, 2018 4:14 am

Hi Bogieman,
I think on plan D 264_8 Appendices it says a radius of 127 mm which in my case was not quite correct because the centre of the circle to a radius of 127 is not where the pivot hole is. As the board gets swung around the pivot I rounded it by what I felt is correct top and especially at the bottom. The front of the board is straight and if it is left hanging completely down this straight part will bang into the vertical piece of the centreboard case and could damage it. I do not know if this is the ideal stop if the board should slam down and therefore I rounded it so that should it happen the straight part of the board is also nearly at the straight forward end of the case. The whole thing started with the incorrect pivot. I remember having encountered your problem in 2013 when I posted:
Talking about plans I have a problem with B264/8 Appendages. At the bottom on the left side are 8 points Centre board case.
Can You tell me what it says on your plan under 5. I ordered metric plans and there it says 5. Cut 51 mm slot through bottom.
(That would be 2 inches ?!?)
Even that it says one should not study all detail before the start of the building, that is exactly what is the only thing one can do before the wood arrives.
and then I got the answer of Bondo which was this:
Yes my plans call for a 2" slot but the instructions disagree on this step. They recommend installing the trunk first. I would install the trunk first. I had a problem with the centerboard pattern and the centerboard trunk as drawn. So far I am the only one to have had a problem but there was a conflict for me. The centerboard pivot is drawn incorrectly. There is a correction for that. Detail #8 suggests rounding from the outside but the keel shoe still needs to be applied.
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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by gonandkarl » Thu May 03, 2018 5:11 am

Hi,
Here a picture with the inspection lids in the sole to be able to mount the sleeve in the pivot holes and the front one to put portable ballast under the sole.

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Trunk and case united for the test.

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and here fully down

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You can do this test having everything lying flat on the floor with the lid ( side of the trunk ) not yet attached.

Unfortunately I have no detailed pictures before I assembled the centreboard case.

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Bogieman » Fri May 04, 2018 9:35 am

Thanks Karl. I think I'm just going to leave the pivot end round. Now I'm trying to find a local store that carries a threaded SS bolt that is at least 5" long and a SS sleeve that is 3 1/2 long. So far no luck. I'll probably have to order something online. I like (and will use) your idea of clamping everything together and testing the entire assembly while it's lying on a table top. Also, I made a little mistake on the CB case by adding a spacer to the forward vertical portion on the swing end of the CB case. This has caused me to have to sand some of the radius off the curved / aft portion of the keel (maybe a half inch) so it can fit. I don't think it's a big deal.

I'm planning to install the biaxial cloth to the inside of the hull this weekend.

Can't wait to see your next posts

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by Jaysen » Fri May 04, 2018 9:45 am

Bogieman wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 9:35 am
Now I'm trying to find a local store that carries a threaded SS bolt that is at least 5" long and a SS sleeve that is 3 1/2 long.
Fastenal. Lowes has them in 3/4 inch. Napa, Advance, and most car parts places should have something in the 1" range. TSC as well. these things are typical in control arm assemblies.

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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by gonandkarl » Fri May 04, 2018 10:12 am

Hi Bogieman,
I also bought my stainless steel rod ( 15 mm diameter ) and sleeve which fitted over it at the local hardware store for 3 Euros in your case dollars. The only disadvantage is that they sell them in one meter lengths but both are easy to cut with a iron handsaw takes a while but even I could do that. Important is 2 nuts on the rod and then cut it so that the nuts can sort out the thread at the cutting point and a small iron rasp will help to clear up the cutting surface of the rod to have an easy screwing and unscrewing on it.
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Re: AD 14 KIELGE

Post by gonandkarl » Fri May 04, 2018 3:21 pm

Hi,
Today I fitted my 3 base plates for the three deck blocks for Halyard, Yard hauling parrel and luff hauling parrel. I could not think of any other way than to use 4 Allen keys on the through deck screws while lying on the cabin sole on my back a bit lifted up by cushions to reach with my short arms to tighten the domed nuts over washers.

Here the Allen keys to hold the screws
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Inside the cabin
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Finished mounting after too long a time
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And here with the deck blocks I got from a neighbor telling me I can dismantle any hardware I wanted before he is sending his sail boat to the scrap yard. I have cut a few pieces of plastic hose to support the deck blocks and made holes on one side for the shackle pins.
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And now I definitely have to show my new foam floor in the cabin which was a good idea of George. Unfortunately on the 3 packets the colour grey is not the same on all puzzle pieces.
As I still want to do the bunks under the benches as well I ordered another 2 packets and hope to get evenly grey pieces in the cabin and the darker ones in the bunks. If you wonder about the piece of mast in the mast foot it was a cut off the 7 meter mast when I bought it and now I am using this 0.9 meter piece for holding the real mast during trailering together with a plumbers plastic pipe as an extension above deck.

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