Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by Netpackrat » Tue May 19, 2020 4:53 am

Jaysen wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 1:44 pm
5. Chaise Marie (if I'm lucky) -- Shannon 37 cutter ketch for showing my wife the world one ocean at a time. I'd like to convert this to an electric drive with an on board diesel power plant with non-dino based options for power gen.
I would not want to lobotomize my boat with an electric motor, but it seems to be all the rage these days.



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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by Jaysen » Tue May 19, 2020 6:12 am

It’s less about removing the diesel (note the generator) on that boat, and more about ensuring future compliance for long term stays in other countries. I’m not a tree hugger about motors, I just don’t like them on boats. Personal preference.
Visit my official Class Globe 580 build blog at https://jaysenodell.com/globe-580
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Class Mini 580 welcome post.
My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Jaysen wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm
I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by Fuzz » Tue May 19, 2020 6:28 pm

Anything less than six boats means you need more :D

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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by Jaysen » Tue May 19, 2020 6:46 pm

And I was sooooo close!
Visit my official Class Globe 580 build blog at https://jaysenodell.com/globe-580
Currently starting a build of "Lil Bit More". A Class Mini 5.80
Class Mini 580 welcome post.
My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Jaysen wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm
I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by fallguy1000 » Wed May 20, 2020 9:40 pm

Netpackrat wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 4:53 am
Jaysen wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 1:44 pm
5. Chaise Marie (if I'm lucky) -- Shannon 37 cutter ketch for showing my wife the world one ocean at a time. I'd like to convert this to an electric drive with an on board diesel power plant with non-dino based options for power gen.
I would not want to lobotomize my boat with an electric motor, but it seems to be all the rage these days.
Not to mess with the thread, but electric is really spendy.
My boat build is here -------->

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=62495

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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by Jaysen » Thu May 21, 2020 7:45 am

fallguy1000 wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:40 pm
Netpackrat wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 4:53 am
Jaysen wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 1:44 pm
5. Chaise Marie (if I'm lucky) -- Shannon 37 cutter ketch for showing my wife the world one ocean at a time. I'd like to convert this to an electric drive with an on board diesel power plant with non-dino based options for power gen.
I would not want to lobotomize my boat with an electric motor, but it seems to be all the rage these days.
Not to mess with the thread, but electric is really spendy.
So is being refused entry to a planned destination or required to leave early. EU regs are attempting to greatly limit the use of fossils as main propulsion for personal craft. You can have a fossil generator if you are over a certain size or a distance cruiser. Last read I was offered said this would happen in ES 2028 or so. If I was racing as a professional, my race boat would be considered commercial. But my cruiser would not. I expect most of the med will head this route 2030 if ES actually does it and it survives court challenge.

Honestly, it isn't as expensive as most folks think IF you take a more DIY approach (which many can not). I am in a unique position to leverage network relationships to help with reducing cost. :)
Visit my official Class Globe 580 build blog at https://jaysenodell.com/globe-580
Currently starting a build of "Lil Bit More". A Class Mini 5.80
Class Mini 580 welcome post.
My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Jaysen wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm
I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by terrulian » Thu May 21, 2020 9:02 am

I've done some sailing with electric auxiliary boats. The club where I teach had two or three for awhile, but the tech wasn't really there yet. They take a little getting used to because, like the cars that are blowing ICE cars off the line, they have instant torque. What this means is that cavitation will be a problem at first while you're figuring it out...which takes, you know, five minutes. There is that range anxiety of course, but batteries are already very much improved since I had my experience. As are solar panels. You can do a degree charge your batteries underway, whereas there are no diesel sources during an ocean passage. One of the overlooked but major advantages is that the weight can be distributed all over the boat, and also doesn't vary as fuel is consumed, which would add some major flexibility to naval architects.
I don't know what "lobotomize" means in this context.
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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by Jaysen » Thu May 21, 2020 9:19 am

Keep in mind that the boat that will be hybrid will be
1. The house for a while.
2. Will still have fuel.
3. Will be a known "big water" type.

Much of the tech will be lightyears beyond where it is today by the time I ready for it. I've already been told that I have to comply to current bat/engine tech so none of the new stuff for storage/propulsion will be on the 580. I'm limited to generation and "subsystem" storage innovation for the 580. I understand the reasoning for this and fully support it.
Visit my official Class Globe 580 build blog at https://jaysenodell.com/globe-580
Currently starting a build of "Lil Bit More". A Class Mini 5.80
Class Mini 580 welcome post.
My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Jaysen wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm
I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by fallguy1000 » Thu May 21, 2020 9:48 am

The electric engines for the Skoota would never deliver the range.

So, for a sailboat, things are totally different.

And, also, your boat is hull speed limited; so the electric motor power requirements are also less. But charging batteries for a raceboat is costly. The panels need homes and the batteries and equipment add weight versus a 2 gallon fuel jug at 12#. Even motor windings can be heavy.

But you are definitely more suited for electric than my operation. We have seen a few Wood's builders come online and talk electric, but most of them see the costs and run fast.

Is this torqueedo style or inboard? Isn't drag of a prop and issue in the latter?
My boat build is here -------->

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Re: Jaysen's Mini 580 plan

Post by Jaysen » Thu May 21, 2020 10:13 am

The race boat requires outboard. I will be using petrol for the race boat for the reasons you state.

the electric discussion is for the long term "travel the world and grow old" boat. That's good 10+ years off at this point. By then there will be options.
Visit my official Class Globe 580 build blog at https://jaysenodell.com/globe-580
Currently starting a build of "Lil Bit More". A Class Mini 5.80
Class Mini 580 welcome post.
My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Jaysen wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm
I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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