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Re: AD-14

Post by terrulian » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:14 am

I'm a bit envious of your being able to rig the boat that quickly. I think it takes us at least a couple of hours to get in the water in the Catalina 22, including tuning the rig. :?


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Re: AD-14

Post by bondo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:42 pm

Karl the round bumpers are tied at the hand-holds. When you see them tucked into the "wings" they are set to length and ready. Just flip one overboard. (2-sided dock, not sure which side we will be using)

I leave them inflated,
I bought smaller size round but they were too small to do much.
With my first sailboat I bought the kind I had seen all the pleasure boaters using. (cylindrical)....I replaced with round ones fairly quickly.

My whole life I had seen every working boat (in Seattle for the off-season) with those awful "coast guard orange" big-ass round bumpers. Every skiff and fishing boat had at least one. Not a single yacht looking fender in the bunch. So I tried one.

The cylinder type work well horizontally. (I'm sure they work well for lots of uses) but for me, I only want one or two big round fenders on board.

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Re: AD-14

Post by bondo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:24 pm

Terrulian, I believe it may have been you who advised me to: "think about rigging quickly when thinking about how to rig"

I tried to incorporate that advice in both rigs.

Btw I was surprised that the aluminum rig, including the stays takes as much time to rig as the freestanding setup did. (With aluminum, no need to feed the guides onto the track)

I use synthetic stays. Dyneema. I should have bought pre-stretched. They are fixed length, eye spliced and thimballed both ends.

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Re: AD-14

Post by bondo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:40 pm

I have quick release for the mainsheet/boom, both blocks of the vang.
I dont use a topping lift (I had one)
I just let the boom rest on the seat.
I have a traveler setup which I like alot.
I person could also use a rope traveler but you would be relying on the vang that much more. I have a 4 to 1 vang... i would go with slightly stronger ratio vang system if I was not using a traveler.

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Re: AD-14

Post by terrulian » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:09 pm

The Catalina is still a small boat, but a lot bigger than the AD14. I haven't weighed the mast but perhaps 100 lbs. It can be just lifted up on the tabernacle by one person but this is dodgy and a gust of wind could cause you to lose it, tearing the tabernacle out of the cabin. So we have to set up the rig created by the previous owner, a pipe with stays to serve as a crane. I know shortcuts to tuning the rig but somehow I feel better if I do it from scratch every time. It takes awhile.
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Re: AD-14

Post by bondo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:16 pm

My traveler is 2 to 1 ratio.
My mainsheet is 3 to 1 ratio
Vang is 4 to 1 ratio
Fixed gooseneck
No winches, tie off the halyard to the mast itself
I think the outhaul is 4 to 1

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Re: AD-14

Post by bondo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:25 pm

Why the wood mast? (talking to myself mostly)
I wanted a freestanding rig. I'd had one before and I thought the AD-14 would be a good candidate.
My mast worked really well...to a degree.

It was better in light wind.
It was better downwind.
BUT, I couldnt de-power the rig.
Above say15-20 kts of wind I would flatten with outhaul and vang. But I had a little bit of "claw sail" happening when gusts blasted through.

Easy to admit that I was wrong. I want the boat to work best.
The stayed aluminum rig with the Bateau sail is best overall.

Here is a video going downwind without stays (so you can have the sail all the way out) sailing one of the early polytarp sails:
https://youtu.be/IQN0fh2FQ-o

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Re: AD-14

Post by bondo » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:37 am

Let's see...the boat is very dry to sail.
And water has not splashed from trunk.

It is a little awkward around the dock. (Specifically, landing)

The boat feels very stable. On the stiff side.

The boat feels "big"

The boat is very strong.

The cockpit seats are comfortable.

The cabin is comfortable, I use it every time out.

The drain holes in the transom should be shorter/wider to accept your foot, doubling as a boarding step.

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Re: AD-14

Post by bondo » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:42 am

BTW, I had a sail custom made by a local sailmaker. It was fully battened with some shape worked into it.

It cost me the same as the sail I bought from Bateau.

The sail from Bateau's sailmaker..(I think they're called "Super-sailmakers") is a really good sail.

Since both sails cost the same, I can definitely say that Bateau made the better sail.

I've ordered an assymetrical spinnaker for the AD-14 from Bateau.

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Re: AD-14

Post by bondo » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:35 pm

The boat is easy to sail. You wont be particularly close hauled
I went almost the first year before I finally got myself scared.
At say 20 knots you are going to realize you should have locked the centerboard in place.
Jacques' rig per plan is better in higher winds than my wood mast.
The plans for the boom call for 1-1/2" round aluminum @ .063.
but the best is 2" round aluminum @ .063.
The hull feels a little light at about 20 kts wind and you finally feel like you need to stay focused or you could have a problem.
The most wind I've been in was 25kts...I broke the gooseneck going downwind...the boat wont get on plane but it feels like it wants to surf a little.
Jibing seems easy (flip the sail, grabbing the sheets by hand...then you can cushion the jibe)

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